Hi forum members!
I had a short email conversation with Marnia recently. She asked me to post it here... So here goes.
Thanks so much for your book. It has shed a great deal of light on my
struggles and given me hope of a way out.
The best community amongst the people I feel spiritually close to (Osho
sannyasins) is in and north of Montreal Quebec Canada. I am doing what I can to get closer to them (I currently live in BC Canada).
Have there ever been translations of "Peace Between the Sheets" into
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From: Marnia Robinson
Thanks for the kind words. Part of the book has been translated into
but we need to find a publisher first, so the translator can be
compensated before he/she does any more. If you have any suggestions....
I have a lot of sannyasin friends, and I, too, like their humor and
refreshing attitude toward sex. Did you see this article at our site? It
has some lovely Osho quotes.
The one point I think they often miss is the costs of orgasm in terms of
relationship harmony. Apparently Osho himself was quite promiscuous
(Lots of juicy history in this one:
maybe he didn't see the problem, even though he saw the solution.
Thanks for writing and letting me know about the french parts of Peace and the Karezza method.
Thanks too for directing me to the article on sannyasin tantra. It touched me. I feel a deep connection with Osho and his words generally bring that feeling up to my awareness. I liked Vibha's words very much too.
I agree that sannyasins are not always so aware. I've seen what I would call "good" communities and "not so good" communities amongst people who call themselves "friends of Osho". I think some of your Osho quotes show Osho's understanding very well. One of the things I appreciated about Osho when he was speaking was the permission he gave us to really screw up. And we did it! And we learnt. And we're still at it, whoever "we" are.
The stuff around Osho's sex life bothered me. I couldn't feel the connection I usually feel with him. It seemed to be more of the sensationalistic stuff that I found so wierd coming from the media when I was on the ranch in Oregon. I have no idea what his sex life was like. Even the quote about wanting to find "jewish girls who like to fuck" (in Winn's article) could easily have been taken out of context and/or distorted. My experience of him was, (and still is) at a feeling level, generally of a tremendous love and playfulness. One of my favorite Osho quotes is: "My sexual ethic is love". It is certainly what I have experienced around him and fits well with what I find important myself.
I'm not sure that he didn't see the problem. He was talking to a vast audience and created connections from a vast array of problems to his one solution in my understanding. Focussing too much on problems tends to have a way of getting caught in them in my experience. He certainly didn't phrase things the way you do. The science wasn't up to the standard it is now. I really like the information you've included in your work. The scientific slant to it is very valuable to me. I'm sure Osho would have appreciated it too, had he had the chance to read it. He seemed to me to be a fan of the scientific method. I, for one, would have certainly sent "Peace" his way for him to look at.
That said, I really like your emphasis on healing. I'm very grateful for it. It's very healing for me and has given me a language to share with people who don't share my connection with Osho at all. It has also shown me in a very vivid way how women avoid healing. That is a major turn in my life having become aware in the last couple of years of childhood sexual abuse coming from my mother in quite subtle yet very powerful and very toxic ways. That wound has left me very isolated and struggling with my health and finances in a big way.
I also like what I've read (and experimented with as much as possible) about your approach. I like the very slow very gentle aspect of it very much. I would like very much to find a "sweetheart" who wants to share a deeply healing connection with me. I've lost faith in that happening in this community and struggle with finding a way to let go of attractions that I know won't be good for me while I work towards getting to the Osho community in Quebec (see http://www3.sympatico.ca/l.dagenais/auberg/) where the interest in consciousness and a gentle, loving, playfulness is much stronger in my experience.
Thanks for your help.
Much Love to you.
Thanks for your beautiful letter, Arnold.
Vibha had a very similar impression of Osho. I, too, wish I could have run our material past Osho, as I think he would have liked it, too. I've thought about him a lot. In fact, I once asked my I Ching about him, since the many Rolls Royce's, etc. just didn't "feel right" to me. It said he was still experiencing a sense of lack. Maybe, but I'm sure he was experiencing a lot smaller sense of lack than the rest of us! But perhaps he was still learning things, too. In any case, I value his huge contribution. How can we use sex for a sacred purpose if we don't speak about it and experiment with it? The people he spoke to have done a great job of "ripping the lid off" of sex so we could look inside and see what we all brought with us and how it can be used for a higher purpose. They are all over the planet now, still planting seeds. Even though I never met him, I feel like I'm part of that same team.
I wouldn't think Michael Winn would write sensationalist stuff about Osho out of spite. He strikes me as one of the most sincere seekers in the sacred sexuality community. I think he was just honestly reporting his experience with no ax to grind (since his own adventure was not so different). But who knows? In any case, I'm sure Osho was learning as he went along, too, and I think Winn met him early on.
Your letter is so excellent that I wonder if you would post it, or some part of it, on the Reuniting forum. It takes a minute to register, which is a pain in the butt (It's the only way we can cut down on hordes of Russian spammers selling God-knows-what. ). It might allow you to meet others of like mind. http://www.reuniting.info/forum/ No problem if you don't want to fool with this. It was just a thought. You could post under "Related Traditions." All the current users will see it.
I'd also be happy to introduce you to Vibha by cyberspace if you like. I'm not sure where she is, but I have an email address for her.
Thanks for your remarks about the emphasis on healing at our site. Few people comment on this, but it's the key concept in a way. If we would put our attention on healing each other, we would find we healed, too. As I say in my book, we're all wilted plants. A good mutual watering is just what's called for! Remember, our parents COULDN'T have gotten it right. They were even more in the dark than we are. I'm sure your mother did the best she was able to, even if it wasn't too impressive.
I wish you the ideal partner. By the way, I have a Canadian friend who was part of the Osho community (to some degree) in Montreal. Should I put you in touch with her? She now lives at Harbin Hot Springs in Middletown, CA. It's a resort/community. You might think about going there if the cold ever gets to you.
A big hug,
I have a few more things to add that came to mind as I read your letter. I can understand your concern about the Rolls Royces Osho had. When I arrived on the ranch in Oct. 1985, he had 99 at his disposal even though they were formally owned by the foundation. I saw many things that I found disturbing. There were guns, a pretty intense security check, checkpoints, and a fence at the entrance. All reminded me of my childhood in the military even though the feeling was completely different. At the time, I was determined to check it out in spite of my concerns and gave the place 24 hours before I would leave. On sitting with Osho during discourse in Rajneesh Mandir, it became very clear to me that he was the guy I was looking for. So, inside myself, I said to Osho, "I don't understand the crazy stuff that's going on around you, but I'm very clear that you are the person I want to connect with." So I stayed. The ranch was over and Osho back in India in less than a month. I had become a sannyasin. I watched 5 truckloads of Rolls Royces leave on a snowy December day that year.
There are many stories around those cars. Osho seemed to think of them as a delightful joke. He had a remarkable sense of humour. My understanding is that they started as a way to convince bankers to give the ashram loans in Pune 1 in the late 1970's in India. One thing for sure, is that they shattered many people's ideas of how a spiritual man should behave. He shattered alot of those illusions in many ways.
I sometimes think it was one of many devices he used to keep the less than fully committed away. I arrived just after the phase where we were asked to wear red, a mala, and change names before taking sannyas. I did them all anyway because I wanted to. All of these devices glued us together very intensely and at the same time kept the spiritual tourists out. Osho's many embarrassing statements and activities certainly challenged us all many times too.
I still feel a certain wariness around talking to everyday people about my connection with Osho (hence my use of two names). It's hard to describe why I would be so keen on such an unusual man and such an intangible path. When you strip away any of the few external trappings to that connection, it is simply a deep love affair and defies explanation. I certainly feel it and that I can't deny.
I also noticed that you came to my mother's defense quite quickly when I mentioned the sexual abuse I have become aware of. I have seen this pattern so often, it is pretty much predictable. What is it that makes mothers so easily excused of the consequences of their actions on their own children? I am very aware that she was and still is incapable of consciousness and/or healing at the emotional and sexual levels. I no longer expect it and am looking for people who are capable of it. It's been a mighty rough struggle to figure out what the wound was to begin with (the abuse was quite subtle) and then at least two years to settle with its reality. I also realize that my responsibility was my choice to be born through her at the time I was born. Perhaps we squirm when we are faced with a pain of that depth. I can't squirm any more, it's such a real part of my life. Perhaps the terror is too great to face.
The last joke Osho ever told was about this. If you want I'll write it down. It's a long one, so it may take a while.
Lots of love to you,