Interesting Osho quotes on Celibacy:

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Osho Quotes on Celibacy

Celibacy can only be spontaneous, there is no other type of celibacy. If it is not spontaneous, it is not celibacy. You can force it. you can control your sexuality, but that is not going to help. You will not be celibate, you will be only more and more sexual. Sex will spread all over your being. It will become part of your unconscious. It will move your dreams, it will become your motivation in dreams, it will become your fantasy. In fact, you will become more sexual than you ever were before. You will think more about it and you will have to repress it again and again.

And whatsoever is repressed has to be repressed again because victory is never complete. There is no way to destroy sex by force, by violence. There is no way to control and discipline it. The people who have tried to control and discipline it have made the world very pornographic. Your so-called saints have a very pornographic mind. If a window can be created and a hole can be made in their heads, you will be able to see just sex, pornography. it is bound to be so. It is natural.

Never enforce any celibacy on yourself. Try to understand what sexuality is, go deep into it. It has a tremendous beauty of its own. It is one of the profoundest mysteries of life. Life comes out of it -- it has to be a great mystery. Sex is not sin; repression is a sin. Sex is very natural, very spontaneous. You have not done anything to have it, it is inborn, it is part of your being. Don't condemn it, don't judge it, don't fear it, don't fight with it. Simply go into it more -- more meditatively. Let it happen in such silence, in such deep acceptance, that you can know the very core of it. The moment you penetrate to the very core of sexual orgasm you will see sex is losing its appeal for you, you r energy is moving in a higher plane, you are becoming more loving and less sexual. And this happens spontaneously.

Try to force celibacy upon yourself and your dreams will become sexual, they will have a quality of sexuality.

People who try to control themselves have chosen a very foolish way. Control will not happen, but they will become cold. That is the only way a man can control himself -- to become frozen so that energy does not arise. People who take the vows of celibacy will not eat much; in fact, they will starve their bodies. If more energy is created in the body, then there will be more sex energy, and then they don't know what to do with it. So Buddhist monks eat only once a day -- and then too, not enough. They eat only enough that bodily needs are fulfilled, very minimum needs, so no energy is left. This type of celibacy is not celibacy. When you are flowing with energy and the energy starts transforming itself into love, then a celibacy, a BRAHMACHARYA, which is beautiful, happens.

I have come across people who think that without long fasting there is no possibility of meditation. Now, fasting has nothing to do with meditation. Fasting will only make you obsessed with food. And there are people who think celibacy will help them into meditation. Meditation brings a kind of celibacy, but not vice versa. A celibacy without meditation is nothing but sexual repression. And your mind will become more and more sexual, so whenever you sit to meditate your mind will become full of fantasies, sexual fantasies. These two things have been the greatest problems for the so-called meditators: fasting and celibacy. They think these two things are going to help -- they are the greatest disturbances!

Eat in right proportions. Buddha calls it "the middle way": neither too much nor too little. He is against fasting, and he knows it through hard experience. For six years he fasted and could not attain to anything. So when he says, "Be in the middle," he means it. About celibacy also: don't enforce it upon yourself. It is a by-product of meditation, hence it cannot be enforced before meditation. Be in the middle there too, neither too much indulgence nor too much renunciation. Just keep a balance. A balanced person will be more healthy, at ease, at home. And when you are at home, meditation is easier. What then is meditation? Just sitting silently doing nothing, witnessing whatsoever is happening all around; just watching it with no prejudice, no conclusion, no idea what is wrong and what is right.

In the name of celibacy, sex has been repressed for centuries and you have become just full of sexuality. Rather than transcending it you are boiling within.

Remember, there are two types of celibates. One: who has simply forced celibacy upon himself -- he is a wrong type, he is doing violence to himself. The other: who has tried to understand sexuality, what it is, why it is; who has watched, observed, lived through it, and, by and by, has become aware of its futility; by and by, has become aware of a deep frustration that comes after EACH sexual act. In the sexual act you have a certain thrill, a moment of forgetfulness, a moment of oblivion. You feel good -- for a few seconds, only for a few seconds, you drop out of this routine world. Sex gives you a door to escape into some other world -- which is non-tense; there is no worry; you are simply relaxed and melting. But have you observed? After each sexual act you feel frustrated.

Sex has promised too much, but it has not been supplied. It is difficult to find a man or a woman who does not feel a little frustrated after the sexual act, who does not feel a little guilty. I am not talking about the guilt that priests have imposed upon you. Even if nobody has imposed any guilt upon you, you will feel a little guilt -- that is part, a shadow of the sexual act. You have lost energy, you feel depleted, and nothing has been gained. The gain is not very substantial. You have been befooled, you have been tricked, by a natural hypnosis -- you have been tricked by the body, you have been deceived. Hence comes a frustration.

That's why real awareness always leads you beyond sex, and celibacy happens on its own accord. Because to be in sex you have either to be identified with the male or identified with the female. A real celibate is one who has gone beyond, who is neither.

Celibacy is one of the most unnatural things. It has destroyed so many human beings -- millions -- Catholic monks, Hindu monks, Buddhist monks, Jaina monks, nuns. For centuries they have been teaching celibacy; and the most amazing thing is, even in the twentieth century, not a single medical expert, physiologist, has stood up and said that celibacy is impossible, that in the very nature of things, it cannot happen.

To impose celibacy means to pervert the sexual energy of man. It is celibacy that has created homosexuality. It is celibacy that has created sodomy. Perhaps you don't understand the word "sodomy"; it is making love to animals. And, finally, it is celibacy which has brought humanity to experience the great joy of AIDS. I call AIDS a religious disease. It has been created by all the religions. Nobody ever has been celibate, whatever the pretensions; you can only be a hypocrite. But your sexual energy will find ways to move -- it is natural.

reminds me of the Gospel of

reminds me of the Gospel of Thomas (gnostic).

'His disciples asked him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?"

Jesus said, "Don't lie, and don't do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven. After all, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered up that will remain undisclosed."'

And, a few verses later:
'Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits."'

Very wise...

and yet, Osho and Jesus weren't talking about addictions to Internet porn. The guys here have gradually worked out that giving the limbic brain a rest from the stimulation of orgasm actually seems to be the easiest way through the reboot...particularly when sexual dysfunction is in the mix.

The "middle way" works great with a balanced brain. In fact, I think of karezza as a "middle way." Osho said lots of very karezza-like things, too. You probably saw this: http://www.reuniting.info/wisdom/sunnyasin_tantra_osho

What has your experience been, Thankful?

 

Maybe he'd say an aware incel

Maybe he'd say an aware incel has transcended sexuality. Do you consider that a possibility? Isn't every sexual creature at the mercy of another being? Perhaps the violence is a rejection of that reality. Can you somehow accept it more?

I've been listening to his lectures on ecstasy. He sure liked to talk. When he ends with enough for today, I wonder who he's talking to. It could be his own awareness.

Azrael wrote:

[quote=Azrael]If someone has transcended sexuality, then would that not make them a voluntary celibate, since they have no desire for sex? [/quote]I don't understand what Osho says thay way. He seems to be suggesting an in the moment expereince. If an incel, be one fully with no seeking. If sex comes and you want it, go toward it fully. Be able to be both celibate and sexual at each moment with no need to be either. Do not desire or repress. 

Incel can be a form of naturally occuring celebacy if one can transcend desire.

Incel isn't trying to go

Incel isn't trying to go around it. Then one would be celibate without having had sex. Incel is a mix of it hasn't happened, the potential partner wasn't right, etc. There's still desire. With that desire, why can't one learn to live with it and in a sense begin the journey of moving through sex even if one ultimately needs to experience sex to finish that journey.

I too wonder if Osho might have had different views on homosexuality today. Maybe he was referring to the non-dominant parts of us on the sexuality continuum. We still don't really know enough about sexual identity to say much with certainty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosexual%E2%80%93homosexual_continuum . Mix that with the Jungian concept of a shadow. Then hetero people have some aspect of themselves that is a homosexual shadow and vice versa. In theory, it might be best to bring out each part to its fullest. How that might actually manifest isn't clear.

Osho on Jung: http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Therapy/osho_on_carl_jung_psychology.htm Did Osho like anyone? My favorite controversial view so far is Gandhi as a violent sado-masochist: http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Osho/osho_on/osho_mahatma_gandhi.htm Osho's not alone in such views. Others call it passive masochism: http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/books/bjp/section7.html

Hmmm...

Yes, he was saying to "go through sensuality," but he was also from the tradition (tantra) in which ritualistic sex was used as a path to enlightenment by otherwise celibate yogis. This tradition had no use for relationships, and Osho really didn't either. The Gnostics, on the other hand, seemed to be encouraging the "sacrament of the bridal chamber" in ongoing relationships, not as one-shot rituals. Certainly the early Christian agapetae arrangements were monogamous relationships from the sound of it. http://www.reuniting.info/wisdom/agapetae

Azrael wrote:

[quote=Azrael] Osho's only suggestion in this piece, though he does not directly address it to involuntary celibates, is to meditate on one's own sexual urges. [/quote]

I think it probably means solo cultivation...

Celibacy

When I read Osho, I don't think the word celibacy means to him what it means to us. I think when he says people can become celibate by moving beyond sex he means that sex becomes transformed, not that sex no longer happens. And by transformed, he means you become conscious and aware rather than doing it in an unconscious way. And then you lose your obsession with it in its perverted state. It becomes truly an act of meditation. The ego is dropped, the "I" is dropped. "Something greater than you has happened to you. You and your partner, both have dissolved into that greater energy." ("Sex Matters: From Sex to Superconsciousness")

More from that book: "If you remain alert you will see, first, changes of energy in the body; second, dropping of the thoughts from the mind; and third, dropping of the ego from the heart. These three things have to be observed, watched carefully. And when the third has happened, sex energy has become meditative energy. Now you are no longer in sex. You may be lying with your beloved, bodies together, but you are no longer there~~you are transplanted into a new world." (and that is what I mean about sex being transformed; you are still technically "having" sex, but not sex as we generally know it)

Marnia mentioned Osho and relationships and I have not read anything (yet!) that makes me feel he is anti-relationship (anti-marriage, yes! only due to the contractual nature of a legal marriage; he feels people should remain together because they want to be together, not because the law or their religion tells them to). And he also feels people who can be alone without being lonely are those who have found happiness (and I agree with that). But that you can bring that quality to a relationship, just respect each other's need for needing to recharge when the love cup has been depleted, lol~~(and I REALLY agree with that!).