Submitted by gary on



"Children with ADHD frequently bite their fingernails, have something in their mouth, fiddle with things."
I know this part well. I just in the last 2 years stopped biting my finger nails. Well I still bite them I just do not bite them down to nothing and I really do mean nothing at one point. No nails at all on some of them. Now they are back to normal. I do like having things in my mouth (ok no bad thoughts guys). I fiddle with things constantly. I can not stand around or talk most of the time without twirling something. tossing something or just fiddle with something at hand. I am very fidgety. I can sit and watch a movie. At the theatre I see people around me sit and not move at all for like an hour or more. I can sit and watch the whole thing I just move almost the whole time. Maybe sit still for a few minutes.

I do not think of myself as having ADHD/ADD. I mean I could sit and read for hours and still can. I was never just hyper as far as I can remember.

But I did masturbate a lot so maybe I dulled it and I am just mild ADHD if there is such a thing. I know that I have trouble sticking with something though. I will get the idea to try something and only do it for a short time. Like learning a new language. I will go all out for a week or two and then just lose interest. Is that related ? It has been like that my whole life. Is that just normal behaviour ? It is like Toastmasters. I have had trouble getting back to going to meetings since I missed those during my trip. I lost momentum so It is hard for me to get going again. Same as exercise. I do it for awhile then one day I realize I have not done anything for a week and do not know what happened. I am just not that familiar with ADHD. Is any of this related ? Is severe procrastination related to it ?

funny how it talks about sleep problems. I never had sleep issues till I started going without masturbation for longer and longer periods of time.

Most likely it is just my perception of things. I am not ADD as far as I can tell. It is just I read the symptoms and relate like other things I have read about and feel I am close to it.

Like OCD. Now that I am sure I am at least mild in. I see it in myself and I have fought with it and deal with it fairly well. I still have to focus to deal with it. Like checking things many times. I have managed to stop that. It still drives me crazy to use a piece of paper with even a small fold at a corner. I have forced myself to use paper like that instead of throwing it away. I used to just throw paper like that away.

rambling now.

I know others here have already expressed links between this addiction and ADD/ADHD.

After reading that article I now understand why some people say cocaine would be better than ritalin. If that is what ritalin is doing is effecting dopamine.

I'm wondering if

there's also such a thing as 'dysregulated dopamine' that can cause all kinds of symptoms that shouldn't be crammed into the ADHD box. It would be nice to know. Gary says he was a fidgeter, and certainly a masturbator Wink Yet he's great at concentrating when he wants to.

Yes I think the dysregulated

Yes I think the dysregulated dopamine is the cause of these symptoms. It so part of what makes us tick. It and the other neurotransmitters. The super stimuli and then just linking it with O's just throws everything so far off. The mind does not know how to cope. I have been all over the place during this. When I was in my addiction I was one way. It was the way I was. Now I am starting to get all the crap out of the way. I am still in here. I just do not have all the dullness I once had. I am not hiding as much. I am not blocked as much. I am starting to get free of it. I can feel the changes and difference. Hard to explain.

Now If I can just get myself to focus on positive things rather than negatives I should be OK

The "fidgeting" may correlate with

the "migration gene." Apparently, the farther our ancestors got from Africa, the more common a certain gene that's associated with restlessness got. (See map below from a recent article in Discover: http://discovermagazine.com/2009/mar/09-they-dont-make-homo-sapiens-like... )

My theory is that it could be making some of us particularly vulnerable to sensation-seeking, and thus porn, drugs, whatever. As the article says, "DRD4 makes a receptor in the brain less effective in bonding to dopamine." That means that when anything drops dopamine, and, to a degree, even from birth, the person is going to be looking for something to jack up dopamine again.

Here's a blurb from the article (these findings are still considered controversial by some scientists, by the way):

Perhaps the most incendiary aspect of the fast-evolution research is evidence that the brain may be evolving just as quickly as the rest of the body. Some genes that appear to have been recently selected, Moyzis and his collaborators suggest, influence the function and development of the brain. Other fast-changing genes—roughly 100—are associated with neurotransmitters, including serotonin (a mood regulator), glutamate (involved in general arousal), and dopamine (which regulates attention). According to estimates, fully 40 percent of these neurotransmitter genes seem to have been selected in the past 50,000 years, with the majority emerging in just the past 10,000 years.
Addressing the hot-potato question—What might these changes signify?—Moyzis and Wang theorize that natural selection probably favored different abilities and dispositions as modern groups adapted to the increasingly complex social order ushered in by the first human settlements.
… Stronger evidence that natural selection has continued to shape the brain in recent epochs comes from studies of DRD4, a mutation in a neurotransmitter receptor that Moyzis, Wang, and many others have linked to attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Children diagnosed with ADHD are twice as likely to carry the variant gene as those without the diagnosis. DRD4 makes a receptor in the brain less effective in bonding to dopamine, which might explain why Ritalin, which increases the amount of dopamine in the space between neurons, is often helpful in treating the problem.

Sequencing studies suggest that the DRD4 mutation arose 50,000 years ago, just as humans were spreading out of Africa. Its prevalence tends to increase the farther a population is from Africa, leading some investigators to dub it “the migratory gene.” At least one allele (or copy of the gene) is carried by 80 percent of some South American populations. In contrast, the allele is present in 40 percent of indigenous populations living farther north in the Americas and in just 20 percent of Europeans and Africans. Children with the mutation tend to be more restless than other youngsters and to score higher on tests of novelty-seeking and risk-taking, all traits that might have pushed those with the variant to explore new frontiers.

In the context of a modern classroom, it may be hard to understand why kids who appear distractible and disruptive might have a survival advantage. But research shows people with DRD4 do not differ in intelligence from national norms; if anything, they may on average be smarter. Moreover, behavior that may seem like a drawback today may not have been so in ancient environments. When broaching foreign terrain filled with unknown predators, “having the trait of focusing on multiple directions might have been a good thing,” Wang says. “People focused in one direction might get eaten.”

migration map

This makes sense to me. I

This makes sense to me. I think I am effected by this. It seems the closer I get to balance(still a ways to go). The more restless I get. The more I just want to go somewhere. To go do something. Anything other than what I am doing. It is getting hard to deal with. I just have the urge to go. Like a hammer smacking the inside of my head.

I have talked about this on and off in my blog. I could probably go back through and find the stuff later.


learning something new will settle it down. (Hint, hint Wink ) In any case, returning to balance will help. Be patient.